Behind The Scenes Of What Made 'Spider-Man 3' Such A Creative Flop
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Vote up the issues that made Spider-Man 3 a creative flop.
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Sam Raimi Didn't Want Venom In The Film
Despite Venom's presence throughout Spider-Man 3, Sam Raimi is not a fan of Spider-Man's Symbiote-suited nemesis. Supposedly, Sony pushed Venom on Raimi because fans love the character, though this resulted in a film that the director just didn't care about.
To his credit, Raimi never lashed out at the fans for loving Venom but disliking his movie. He has admitted that he might not understand the character:
I don’t even want to comment on Venom, because I know he’s a great character and all the fans love him. I never want to say anything bad about a much-beloved character because usually it turns out that I’m the one that doesn’t understand what makes it great.
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Raimi Tried To Make Everything Bigger Than 'Spider-Man 2'
Spider-Man 2's quality stems from its multiple story threads and complex characters. The audience can sympathize with its villain, and its action sequences are unforgettable. Raimi wanted to top his own work with Spider-Man 3, but rather than simply focusing on the movie's quality, he attempted to make the third film bigger than the second in every way.
Rather than turning everything up a few notches and focusing on the character relationships forged in the sequel, Raimi tried to wow the audience with special effects, which backfired horribly. He said as much in a 2015 appearance on the Nerdist podcast:
I think [raising the stakes after Spider-Man 2] was the thinking going into it, and I think that’s what doomed us. I should’ve just stuck with the characters and the relationships and progressed them to the next step and not tried to top the bar.
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Only Two Villains Were Meant To Be In The Film
Spider-Man 3 was meant to be similar to its predecessor in that it was supposed to have two villains. This is logical from a narrative standpoint. While Peter continues to work out his issues with Harry once Harry fully transforms into a supervillain, Peter also has to fend off a new foe who was responsible for Uncle Ben's demise.
While this plot sounds overstuffed, Raimi would have been able to make it work. By all accounts, this story was planned from the beginning, but at some point, everything changed. Raimi's Sandman, Thomas Haden Church, told Joblo in 2018:
The studio felt like they had me, they had [James] Franco’s story continuing, and they were like, we need one more that’s more of a millennial. And that’s how Venom and Topher Grace came into the picture.
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The Third Act Has Too Many Characters
Spider-Man 3 follows Peter Parker as he juggles relationships with Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy while fighting Harry Osborne, Sandman, and Venom. These five plot lines all converge in the third act, a time when everything is supposed to become clear to the audience before sending them home happy.
Instead, most fans agree the third act of Spider-Man 3 is an absolute mess. The poor pacing makes the film seem longer than it is, and when the final act does arrive, there's so much at play that it's difficult to determine exactly what happens. Peter and Harry form some type of bond, Sandman almost becomes a good guy, and Eddie Brock perishes without so much as an acknowledgment from Peter.
If even one of these characters was removed from the puzzle, the film would not only be better paced, but the finale would be clearer, and Raimi would have had time to focus on the characters.
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Gwen Stacy Is Only In The Film To Sow Discord
For all its supposed shortcomings, The Amazing Spider-Man does successfully nail Gwen Stacy's characterization. She's smart, she's cool, and she conducts research - but Sam Raimi's version of the character doesn't do much of anything in Spider-Man 3. In the comics, Gwen is one of the loves of Peter's life. When she falls to her doom, he's completely devastated.
Spider-Man 3 does a huge disservice to an important character by hardly spending any time with her. Aside from simply brushing her character to the side, Raimi strips her of her intellectual abilities and turns her into a model. While being a model has no bearing on a person's intelligence, Raimi isn't interested in exploring this concept. Gwen seemingly only exists in the film to make MJ jealous.
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There Is So Much Fan-Service, The Story Is Incoherent
Raimi's first two Spider-Man films are filled with Easter eggs for super-fans, such as the Ramones' song "Spider-Man" and cameos from Bruce Campbell. For the third film, however, Sony insisted on a different type of fan service.
Raimi claimed the company only wanted faces the audience would recognize and get excited about. This is likely the only reason Venom appeared in the film. Raimi claims he already had a story ready, so adding a new character didn't make sense. According to Raimi in 2009, he was simply doing what he was told:
I had worked on the story with my brother Ivan, and primarily it was a story that featured the Sandman. It was really about Peter, Mary Jane, Harry, and that new character. But when we were done, Avi Arad, my partner and the former president of Marvel at the time, said to me, Sam, you’re so, you’re not paying attention to the fans enough. You need to think about them. You’ve made two movies now with your favorite villains, and now you’re about to make another one with your favorite villains. The fans love Venom, he is the fan favorite.
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Vulture's Set-Up For ‘Spider-Man 4’ Was Left Out
Early on, Spider-Man 3 was meant to whet the audience's appetite for Vulture, a character that Raimi planned to include in Spider-Man 4. Ben Kingsley and John Malkovich, among others, were rumored to have been slated for the role, but the plan was shut down when Venom was added to Spider-Man 3's roster.
Since Peter Parker was tackling three different villains in the series's third installment, there was simply no room to set up a character for a fourth film. In addition to Vulture rumors, Anne Hathaway may have been cast as Black Cat.
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There Are Too Many Plotlines
Any one of Spider-Man 3's villains could have been an A-plot to Peter and MJ's B-plot. Adding two other villains as well as Gwen Stacy only complicates what could have been a compelling story. After the film's release, Raimi knew he'd added too much, and he owned up to this fact. Spider-Man 3's Thomas Haden Church told Joblo as much in 2018:
Sam [Raimi] has gone on record as saying, "Hey we tried to shove ten pounds of story into a five-pound bag." Even he thought it was just too much. And, to some extent it led Sam and Sony to part ways.
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Raimi Didn’t Have Creative Control
The element of Spider-Man 3 likely most responsible for the film's failure was Raimi's lack of creative control. With no one at the helm, the film lacked focus. Raimi has spoken about the film being gradually taken from him. According to Raimi, Sony simply wanted to do something different, even at the expense of a successful franchise.
Raimi's complete creative control over the first two films not only meant he could use whatever characters he wanted, but he could also utilize a darker, more serious tone. That changed with the third film, whose tone is less cohesive than the series's first two installments. Raimi explained:
They really gave me a tremendous amount of control on the first two films, actually. But then there were different opinions on the third film and I didn’t really have creative control, so to speak.
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MJ Is Reduced To A Damsel In Distress
Although Kirsten Dunst is an excellent actor, she wasn't given much to do in Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy. In each film, she's either a damsel in distress, or she's rude to Peter the moment her career goes awry.
During the press tour for Spider-Man 3, Dunst was open about the fact that she was rarely allowed to do anything in Raimi's films. She told the Virginian-Pilot that even after three films of character building, MJ is still just a girl who needs to be saved:
At the beginning of this film, [MJ] has achieved success, a part on Broadway, and has agreed to work with Peter Parker in adjusting to his powers. But, still, she's pretty much a damsel in distress. I didn't want her to be so much in peril in the second movie, but no one went along with me on it. In this one, I get to throw one cinder block. Watch for that. That's my action moment. Otherwise, I scream a lot.
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Peter Parker Is Incredibly Unlikable
When an audience sits down to watch a superhero movie, specifically one about Spider-Man, they want to like the hero. Peter Parker is one of the most universally beloved characters in comic book history. He was created as an everyman so readers of any age could identify with him. Unfortunately, many believe Peter's depiction in Spider-Man 3 is anything but identifiable.
A hero may undergo a series of trials to become a better person, like Han Solo or Tony Stark, but Peter simply becomes a jerk when he's attached to the Symbiote. Even before this occurs, Peter is incredibly smug, which isn't what people want from Spider-Man.
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The Physics Are Inaccurate And Unbelievable
Although Spider-Man 3 is a movie about a wall-crawling super-genius fighting a villain made of sand, fans believe its physics should still be logical. The first fight scene between the new Goblin and Spider-Man is widely considered the worst offender of the film's implausible physics.
Not only can Peter survive getting slammed into brick buildings and through large panes of glass without suffering so much as a cut, but Harry Osborne's appearances throughout the fight seem completely disconnected from one another. While fans agree the fights don't have to be perfect, a distinct lack of realism makes the action hard to follow.
